In 1979, Remington increased the powder charges of .280 factory ammunition and re-named the .280 cartridge as the 7mm Express Remington in an effort to bring attention to this newly improved performance. The SAAMI spec cartridge carries the approved name of " 280 Ackley Improved " . It also utilizes the .30-06 as a parent case, and as it's necked down to .284, its bullet is exactly .007 inch larger than the .270. In Europe the .280 Remington is not popular in bolt action rifles since it competes directly with the 7×64mm, which is of the almost exact same size as the .280 Remington but has slightly more power, because of having a slightly higher maximum allowed chamber pressure. .280 vs .30-06.280 Ackley Improved; See also; References; History. it's somewhat untypical of what ackley originaly developed the "improved" cartridge design for, more or less a … In 2007, ammunition manufacturer Nosler registered the .280 Ackley Improved with SAAMI and began providing factory loaded ammunition and rifles for it. Thread starter trigger2012; Start date Nov 13, 2013; Help Support Long Range Hunting : Join the LRH Team or . Original loads were 125, 150 and 165 grain bullet weights. Cases were more easily formed by firing .280 Remington factory ammo in the improved chamber, so Ackley eventually abandoned his wildcat on … Since cases for the .280 RCBS could be formed by firing .280 Remington ammo in a rifle chambered for the former, Ackley abandoned the 7mm-06 Improved and started chambering rifles for the .280 RCBS. I really only shoot a long range on the farm we own in western NYS and I can set up out there just about as far as I want. Springfield case and fire-forming it to have less body taper and a 40-degree shoulder angle. I think a .280 Ackley would be cool. Consequently, I have two rifles chambered in .280 Remington (a Winchester Featherweight and a Remington Anniversary Model), so I haven't felt the need to own a .280 AI at this point. If you compare Nosler .280 AI brass vs. Nosler 7SAUM brass, you get twice the cases (50) with the .280 AI for only $10 more than what it costs for 25 cases of 7mm SAUM. In the heavier bullets (150 grains and above) of similar design the .280 Remington has a slight edge in muzzle energy. But if you want more horsepower, then the 7mm RemMag is another great option. Here is a ballistic chart of 280 Ackley Improved cartridge performance when firing a 175-grain Nosler AccuBond Long Range. the .280 improved is one of the "rare" ackley rounds that does actually show an appreciable improvement in velocity with most bullet weights. Remington renamed the cartridge in late 1978 to 7mm-06 Remington but just before the end of the year they renamed it again calling it the 7 mm Express in an attempt to increase sales. While it is true that a .280 Remington case can be formed from a .30-06 Springfield case, the case length of a .30-06 is 63.3 millimetres (2.494 in) while the case length of a .280 is 64.5 millimetres (2.540 in), the same as a .30-03 Springfield. Originally cases were fire-formed by shooing a .280 Rem. The .280 is suitable for hunting any game in North America with good shot placement. ... 308 vs 280 Ackley . Soon after the .280 Remington came out, Fred Huntington reformed its case to an improved configuration with minimum body taper, a 35-degree shoulder angle, and called it the .280 RCBS. Soon after the .280 Remington came out, Fred Huntington reformed its case to an improved configuration with minimum body taper, a 35-degree shoulder angle, and called it the .280 RCBS. The only consideration here . I certainly enjoy the performance of my 280 A.I.s, and that isn’t a major step above 280 Remington performance. In 2007, ammunition manufacturer Nosler registered the.280 Ackley Improved with SAAMI and began providing factory loaded ammunition and rifles for it. I just was wondering how much of a gain would it be to have the extra 300 fps for range and wind conditions. Thread starter tflorman; Start date Oct 28, 2020; tflorman. Reader K. Akins recently wrote to ask which cartridge I thought would benefit the most from conversion to Ackley Improved: the 260 Remington, 270 Winchester, or 7mm-08 Remington. Not really a question of need for me. Oct 25, 2016 #5 MudRunner2005 Well-Known Member. It's almost as fast as a 7mm Rem mag. I've got a .280 Ackley built by Accurate Ordnance with a 22" Brux 1-9" twist. However, it’s doubtful he anticipated that more than a half-century later, his .280 Ackley Improved cartridge would blossom into a favorite of savvy open-country hunters across the West. All things equal, improves on the .280 Rem. Having been released 32 years after the .270 Winchester, it had somewhat unspectacular sales. During the name change initial confusion resulted in one production run of barrels having 7mm06 stamped on them. … Despite the distance of time, some of his developments – notably the .30-30 Ackley Improved, the .257 Roberts Ackley Improved and the .280 Remington Ackley Improved – enjoy considerable popularity today. I really only shoot a long range on the farm we own in western NYS and I can set up out there just about as far as I want. Remington renamed the cartridge in late 1978 to 7mm-06 Remington but just before the end of the year they renamed it again calling it the 7 mm Express in an attempt to increase sales. The primary difference between the standard.280 Rem. Feb 25, 2018 #1 G. Greg Duerr Well-Known Member. Since cases for the .280 RCBS could be formed by firing .280 Remington ammo in a rifle chambered for the former, Ackley abandoned the 7mm-06 Improved and started chambering rifles for the .280 RCBS. Not worth it for your described situation. Joined Sep 8, 2016 Messages 130. Best of all, it achieves this efficiently by burning considerably less powder and generating less recoil than the 7mm Rem. yet the .280 AI produced less recoil and muzzle blast and offered space for an additional round in the magazine. Posted: Thu … Sams first whitetail hunt. Login or register to post comments; Tue, 2013-03-26 19:10 #2. Posts: 3213 . If barrel length and chamber pressure are equal, the.280 Ackley Improved is about 100 fps faster with all bullet weights than the standard.280 Remington. Ackley credited Fred Huntington, founder of the RCBS reloading die company, with being the originator of the .280 Remington Improved. 280 Ackley Improved Ballistic Table. However the ballistic coefficient of equal weight bullets favors .270 caliber bullets over 7mm (.284) bullets of similar design. Take brass home, and then reload it as normal for any other bottle necked rifle case. Ackley gave the .280 Remington a steep 40-degree shoulder and straightened out most of the cartridge case’s body taper, he likely knew he was on to something special. Thread starter LKEYES; Start date Oct 26, 2014; LKEYES. by 100 fps. I AM CONSIDERING BUYING A NEW RIFLE IN A 280 Ackley IMPROVED. Kill was 115 yds with .280 AI. Copyright © 2000-2020 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. The recoil characteristics of the .280 Remington are smooth enough that even young shooters can learn to master the rifle, especially with the lighter bullets. Top . Some may say that the pair have both seen better days, with the 7mm Remington Magnum, 7mm-08 Remington, .280 Ackley Improved and 28 Nosler seeming more attractive to new hunters and shooters. The 284/280/280AI recoil is significantly greater than a 6.5CM. Nov 13, 2013 #1 T. trigger2012 New Member. According to Derek Peterson, president of Peterson Cartridge, “The .280 Ackley Improved casing will launch a 7mm, 120 gr. I want to build a new long range rifle and I am looking at the .280 Remington ackley improved or a .284 Winchester ackley improved. It will be worth it if you shoot the 180 bergers or better yet the 195 gr Elite hunters, use a Bartlein tube twisted 8-8.5" for the 195's or go 9" for the 180's! Mag. What don't you like about the 28 Nosler ? and the.280 Ackley Improved is the steeper 40 degree, which lengthens the case body and allows for about 5 percent more powder capacity. If I am reading correctly, both are .284 and the BC is … Fred's version had a 30-degree shoulder angle and held a pinch more powder than the 7mm-06 Ackley Improved. Since cases for the .280 RCBS could be formed by firing .280 Remington ammo in a rifle chambered for the former, Ackley abandoned the 7mm-06 Improved and started chambering rifles for the .280 RCBS. Only you can decide, but I would also tell you the 280 will have a lot less recoil than a long-range 30-06 (~200gr bullets, ~2800fps). The three Elevation columns show drop in inches, Minutes of Angle, and Milradians. Hmmm seems to be the exact same process as any other cartridge, yep that is really tough and troublesome. It shoots the 160-168's fine. With RL-26 my load is at 2950 with the 160 Accubond and 2925 with the 162 ELDx. The older wildcat has several names including 280 Ackley Improved 40°, 280 Rem Improved 40°, 280 Imp 40°, 280 Ackley, 280 Rem Imp, and more. Go. In a horse race,with everything equal(it never is)the 7 Rem Mag is going to be the fastest because it holds more powder.If you dote on shear velocity,get a 7 mag; if you want the most velocity in a standard action, get the AI.If you don't care about either,get the 280...whatever keeps your gunwales above the highwater mark. Ackley's earliest wildcats was the 7mm-06 Improved, which was made by necking down the .30-06 Also which one has the largest case capacity? Admittedly I am a 284 kinda guy. bullet over 3,400 fps. Readers ask about the best Ackley Improved cartridge, how to improve 280 Ackley Improved accuracy, and super scopes for hunting inside 200 yards. Now, as far as .308 vs. .280, there is a much wider range of factory ammo available for the .308 and it is much more readily available. I don't like shooting at game when the wind is kicking at great distances, but maybe the gain would make me rethink it some what. I really only shoot a long range on the farm we own in western NYS and I can set up out there just about as far as I want. Is it too much for you to shoot all day? Here’s why: 280 AI shoots 50 fps to 100 fps faster than the 280 Remington with the same bullets in the same standard-length actions. 280 Remington chambers can be easily converted to 280 AI. built by Shaw Barrels . 280 Ackley Improved Ballistic Table. RD if you don't think you need it, you probably don't. Help with 280 Ackley Build. Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 280 Remington Ackley Improved 40-Degree Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 7mm Remington Short Action Ultra Mag Box Jan 14, 2017 #1 Non-Lead Hunter Active member. out of an Ackley chamber. Should weigh 8lb when I put the scope on. Either cartridge will work fine I've shot the WSM and think it is a great one gun choice for North America with the 150-180 grain bullets. Selling my custom Remington 700 in .280 Ackley Improved... (Shoots 7mm bullets...fyi) 1) Remington 700 Action Blue Printed, bolt and lugs trued and lapped. I am going to load mine with 160+g bullets and never go back to 140's. .300 WSM vs. .280 Ackley Improved. _____ Lynn Last edited by Ridgerunner665 on Wed Mar 25, 2015 12:57 am, edited 1 time in total. That is the velocity difference apparently according to Noslers load data. The .280 Ackley Improved is—you guessed it—the .280 Remington with the taper removed and the shoulder angle revised to 40 degrees. 308 vs 280 Ackley . Don Fischer. Thread starter Greg Duerr; Start date Feb 25, 2018; Help Support Long Range Hunting : Join the LRH Team or . Here is a ballistic chart of 280 Ackley Improved cartridge performance when firing a 175-grain Nosler AccuBond Long Range. 2) Shilen barrel. Joined Mar 25, 2011 Messages 1,115 Location Reno, Nevada. For me, if I didn't reload, I'd lean heavily toward the .308. If I was shooting big critters at long distances, I might consider a 300 RUM. If barrel length and chamber pressure are equal, the.280 Ackley Improved is about 100 fps faster with all bullet weights than the standard.280 Remington. Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3. Looking at the velocity difference between the two cartridges, you’ll see the .280 Remington driving a140-grain bullet at a muzzle velocity between 2950 and 3050 fps, while the 7mm-08 Remington clocks in between 2800 and 2850 fps (Hornady’s Superformance being an exception at 2900 fps). Not because I think it’s a major step up from the standard 25-06 , but because — like many of you — … I messed with some H4831sc, and it was very accurate, but 100-150 fps slower across the board. I already have a 280 Ackley. Go. Next Last. As for the stock, been thinking about either a Brown Precision or some sort of … Next Last. In 1979, Remington increased the powder charges of .280 factory ammunition and re-named the .280 cartridge as the 7mm Express Remington in an effort to bring attention to this newly improved performance. Offline. 1 of 2 Go to page. [2]. Thread starter Non-Lead Hunter; Start date Jan 14, 2017; Prev. The .280 Remington does, however, have a larger than expected number of European users in imported self-loading rifles such as those by Remington. Not really a question of need for me. It's a rem action, 24" rock #3 contour, mcmillan rem hunter stock. There is very little difference … I consider a 280ai a longer range rifle than I need. 1; 2; First Prev 2 of 2 Go to page. Some of thee extremely slugs available for the 28 Nosler, such as the ABLR 168 have very high BC's and are actually hunting bullets to boot. Other than the fact that I had to use obscure powders like 217, 869 and RL33, with significantly more recoil, to get a couple clicks difference out to how far I kill critters...not much. Nov 13, 2013 #2 MudRunner2005 … Most American rifle and ammunition manufacturers catalogue the .280 Remington. Joined Oct 13, 2008 Messages 14,708 Location Alabama.280 AI will handle your needs with no issue, and is also one of my favorite cartridges. Anyone have any ideas of ballistics? I'm surprised that I see so many guys that shoot the .280 AI there must … Since cases for the .280 RCBS could be formed by firing .280 Remington ammo in a rifle chambered for the former, Ackley abandoned the 7mm-06 Improved and started chambering rifles for the .280 RCBS. This is how easy it is to reload for .280AI vs .280: Go to store that sells ammo and reloading supplies, find box of Nosler Custom brass in .280AI or order it, pay for said box of brass. I love that thing and am a huge fan of the .280 AI and the .280 Remington. As sometimes happens in the world of rifle cartridges, the 280 AI (Ackley Improved) is becoming more popular than its parent, the excellent 280 Remington. Joined Dec 12, 2014 Messages 46. Even with a few name changes, this cartridge is still one of the best around. The .30-06 is substantially more popular and manufacturers thus offer a much greater selection of loads at a substantially lower price point. Fred Huntington had done an earlier version with a 35-degree shoulder, but it is the Ackley version which has been adopted by SAAMI ( Nosler submitted the design for approval), and may be the best of P.O. The .30-06 produces more energy than the .280 with bullets heavier than 180 grains, though .284" 175 grain bullets have a high sectional density of .310, compared to the 30-06 180 grain bullet with a moderate sectional density of .271. 1 of 2 Go to page. Shoulder is set at 40-degrees. Today, loaded ammunition and new brass are available from Nosler. Joined: 03/24/2005 . A 280 AI can safely fire 280 Remington ammunition, simultaneously fire-forming brass cases to reloadable 280 AI … if you pulled a 600yshot, and missed the vitals, it would be nice to have the big bullet still moving fast. You mention barrel wear y opt for the 26 high BCover the 28. If you want something else to shoot at the farm, hunt with, and run to long range,just get a 6.5 Creedmoor. Nevertheless, either chambering will serve you well, putting a grin on your chin each time you touch it off. Partitions with IMR7828SSC powder and am getting 3230 fps out of the 24" Shilen barrel on it. Some may say that the pair have both seen better days, with the 7mm Remington Magnum, 7mm-08 Remington, .280 Ackley Improved and 28 Nosler seeming more attractive to new hunters and shooters. Go. .300 WSM vs. .280 Ackley Improved. The neck was deliberately moved forward to prevent chambering in a .270 Winchester rifle, as firing a .280 round in a .270 rifle could cause the projectile to get stuck in the barrel or rupture the barrel due to excessive pressure. I need to know if the .284 has/can be made? I just had a .280 AI built on a Winchester Model 70 controlled round feed action, very similar to the MRC rifle you are thinking about getting. 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